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Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Perceiving What Has Always Been

Posted on 10:09 PM by Unknown

Perceiving What Has Always Been ...

Many today are bantering around the slogan "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."

Apart from being simplistic, and even bordering on deception, this sloganeering completely misses the point. We believe whatever "it" is that God has said. I, for one, will go on record as believing anything that comes from the mouth of God. We also believe that whatever God has said "settles" it.

The real issue is not that God has spoken, or our believing, but our perception and understanding. People for millennia thought God said the Earth stood still and the Sun revolved around it. The problem was not what God had said . . . for indeed what he said did settle "it." But we simply did not discern the "it." That is until a man by the name of Copernicus came along in the 15th century and then another by the name of Galileo in the 17th century. Then for the first time we understood the "it." But God said "it" long before we understood "it."

I like the attitude of Thomas Fuller, a 17th century English churchman and scholar. Fuller wrote a short prayer that reveals something that is especially profound and reveals an attitude of being a perpetual learner. Let me share it with you. Fuller confessed,

"LORD, this morning I read a chapter in the Bible, and therein observed a memorable passage whereof I never took notice before. Why now, and no sooner, did I see it? Formerly my eyes were as open, and the letters as legible. Is there not a thin veil laid over Thy Word, which is more rarified by reading, and at last wholly worn away? I see the oil of Thy Word will never leave increasing whilst any bring an empty barrel."

Is this not perceptive? I believe there is wisdom here. Just when we have "it" all figured out a Galileo, a Einstein, or a Campbell comes along and subverts the entire paradigm! The truth is not new. What is new is what Fuller testifies too. We are seeing something that has always been there but we just did not see "it."

It is very sad when we find some who use that old saw "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it" as an out from having to think and study. Indeed it is quite possible that this mantra can even become a sign of rebellion. Is it not interesting that those whose eyes "took notice" of what had always been but never seen are almost always persecuted? Think of the names: John Huss, John Wycliff, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, Galileo Galilei, Roger Williams, Thomas Campbell, Martin Luther King Jr . . .

The prayer prayed by Thomas Fuller can only be prayed by one who comes to the text as if it is new every morning, as if it is fresh, as if we know nothing . . . as if we expect to find something new and wonderful. The prayer is said by one who expects God to rock his/her boat and rattle his/her cage. Is this not what we want? Do we not want to be explorers in the fathomless ocean of God's wisdom and truth? Isn't that what the Christian life is all about?
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Monday, September 29, 2008

Love Hurts.

Posted on 12:14 AM by Unknown

Who remembers this one? Classic from Hair of the Dog ... one the the greatest albums of all time. The song and video sort of hit close to home for a lot of people in this world ... sit back and experience the power of lyrics touching an inner cord.

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Sunday, September 28, 2008

Musings from the Desert

Posted on 4:21 PM by Unknown
Its Sunday afternoon here in the desert. We had a wonderful (I think) time at the Gathering at PV today. It is still quite hot out though I learned driving across New Mexico and western Texas that they seem to be in the 70s and 80s ... not so here! I ate at a fast food mexican joint called "La Salsa" with some friends from PV today. One asked me "what do you do on Sunday afternoons?" As you can tell ... NOTHING! I don't really have anything significant to blog about so I will just sort of practice my free association, ;-)

Can you believe the Brewers beat the Cubs and are in the playoffs for the first time since 1982! They are going to party in Milwaukee tonight (like it is 1999 to quote Prince). Read about Milwaukee going wild here. And the Packers lost to Tampa Bay but Farve threw a career high of 6 (that is SIX!!) touchdowns against our Arizona Cardinals. See him here. In other sporting news we can all celebrate that USC was humiliated by Oregon St and Florida lost to Ole Miss. But Alabama rolled over Georgia and is now ranked #2 in the AP poll behind Oklahoma ... and I have to say that based on who each team has played so far ... BAMA deserves to be placed first. Bama is the "unanimous" choice to play either Missouri or Oklahoma in a BCS title game. There is a lot of football left so I suggest that Bama fans not get too cocky yet but it was sweet to see the teams the pundits anointed so early on crumble when actually challenged (i.e. USC in the Pac-10 ... give me a break!!!).

On to other stuff. R. C. Bell, K. C. Moser, and J. D. Thomas. There is a connection between these three. I have often heard the quip "If you get Romans, God get you" and seen or heard it attributed to Moser. I do believe Moser said that and probably often. But Moser did not originate that saying, R. C. Bell did. J. D. Thomas in a small "Self-Study Guide" to Romans published in 1963 states that Bell was his teacher at ACC and attributes the slogan to Bell. This is significant because he also mentions both Moser and Brewer in the same context. I know that there was significant interaction between Moser, Brewer and Thomas in the late 1930s when all three were in or around Lubbock, TX. I have little doubt that Thomas was in many ways mentored by Moser in those years. Years later Thomas would still lament that "Our people are legalists, basically" (quoted in an interview with Jim Mankin).

In the Center for Restoration Studies, as I was searching for Moser material I decided to look into the connections with Thomas and a few others (like John P. Lewis) to fill in the gaps in Moser knowledge and to trace his influence as best I can. I decided to dive into Thomas and was surprised that the Thomas papers are not extensive at all, at least those in the Center. But I did find biographical material, a special edition of Minister's Monthly (April 1962) edited by Thomas with articles by Thomas, Bell and Moser in it. Here are some great lines in Bell and Moser:

"Christianity is God's superrefined, perfected way of making men gracious, loving, and lawful ... [A]part from Christ, they become self-righteous, ungracious, unsympathetic legalists and weary drudgers of dull duty" (Bell).

"The doctrine of grace has been lifted, so to speak, right out of the cross... The cross changes things!" (Moser)

While in Abilene it was great to fellowship with Fran Moser Winkles, her husband Dub and daughter Susan. They are wonderful people and have been so gracious towards me. I owe them a debt of gratitude. And my teacher, John Mark, I would not even be doing what I'm doing if it were not for him ... things in my life have not let me go the route I intended to go (teach) but such is life. John Mark taught me more about Moser than anyone. He may not claim me but ...

Let's see what else? Oh yes! I wore my helmet today and Jeanne Holt was NO WHERE to be seen. I was like hello girl ... here it is. I got to talk with Rachael and Talya on the phone yesterday and I was so happy about that.

Ramblings are over,
Bobby V
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Thursday, September 25, 2008

Old LA Tonight - Ozzy Osbourne

Posted on 10:32 PM by Unknown

fallin 2 pieces ...

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Poetry From the Road

Posted on 8:04 PM by Unknown
Poetry From the Road ...

Well I intended to stay longer in Abilene. I am beat though. My phone, which is also my alarm clock, died in the night. I did not wake untl 8:20 ... about 6:20 AZ time. I was/am tired. I visited with Dr. Berryhill for a little while and went to the Center for Restoration Studies and dug around for a while. I discovered a few sources on Moser in some of the J. D. Thomas papers and found more on John P. Lewis too. But I decided to head back to the desert. First I stopped by ACU/Leafwood Press to visit with my friend Lisa and also talked with Leonard Allen. We talked about my work on Moser a little and about when I might be done with this biography. I headed to Taco Beueno about 12.30ish and got on the road around 1ish. I've been driving across the western half of Texas all day long. the cool part was the B-1 bomber that flew over the highway as I was leaving Abilene.

As I have been driving I have become contemplative and sort of poetic ... if that can happen with me. Some I made up and some I'm sure I learned from others ... this one is from the godfather of rock ... i'll keep mine to myself ... for now ...

"Look into the future
Look into my eyes and tell me
everything's all right
Tell me where we're going
I'm afraid 'cos I don't know
what going on in my life ...

From somewhere between El Paso and Las Crusas.

Bobby Valenitne
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Wednesday, September 24, 2008

ACU Lectures Day 3

Posted on 8:07 PM by Unknown
ACU Lectures Day 3

What can I say. The lectures are now over. I am sitting at my friend Carisse's house and blogging about the day. My day started later than yesterday ... I didn't get up until 7 am today. I met my friend Ed Robinson for breakfast in the student center. Ed ran off to class and I reviewed my power point for Dawn: The Spiritual Legacy of Moser. Attendance was smaller today as many folks already left the day before but we still had a good crowd. One notable in my class was Dr. Leroy Garrett one of the great mavericks and historians of the Churches of Christ. I was pleased to see him. We got to visit more later in the day too.

Today I actually spent a great deal of time in the library. I finished reading John P. Lewis' thesis. I found material on W. T. Kidwell and F. L. Colley both crossed swords with Moser over the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

This evening I just visited with Carisse for a couple hours and talked. I am glad I came to ACU. I was able to "get away" from stuff and sort of decompress and exhale. I needed that exercise.

Blessings,
Bobby V

P.S. You see that green stuff in the picture I took of the Bible building this morning? That stuff is called grass! I took my boots and socks off and went and walked in it ... did it again tonight at Carisse's house ... it felt wonderful.
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008

ACU Lectures Day 2

Posted on 9:31 PM by Unknown
ACU Lectures Day 2

Wow! What a day. I got to bed late last night and got up at 6 am this morning. The day began for me at the 6.44 Restoration Quarterly breakfast. Sat with Wendell and John Willis, Doug Foster and Mark Hamilton. We listened to Curt Niccum talk about minor characters in the Gospel of John. I did my class again today and it was again filled ... I have been pleased with the turn out. Has to be the subject matter!!!

I was surprised to get a hug from a young lady from Palo Verde that attends ACU and hunted me down just to say hi. I was blessed. I took in Jim Bevis again today to hear more of the story of Campus Evangelism and the 1960s. I had lunch with some folks I that I have no clue who they were but we had some wonderful conversation. I then retreated to the library for a couple hours and tracked down material on John P. Lewis, a professor at Abilene from 1948-1971, an ardent critic of K. C. Moser. I found a bunch of old sermons by him, a letter dated to 1931 from an "ex-girlfriend" telling him "It is over!" and tracked down a thesis he did and read about half of it today. So now I know much more about this fellow than I did the other day.

I had dinner with Fran and Dub Winkles this evening at Sharon's BBQ. Talk about some good old fashion Texas bbq ... I was in hog heaven. I have not had good bbq in a long time ... it is just not a major thing in the desert.

I went to see Randy Harris tonight and sat with Mark Hamilton and Robert Randolf. We sat on the highest row you can get ... in the pic Harris is the shiny dot ... his bald head!! Robert wanted to buy me a piece of pie afterwards so we went and had some good stuff and talked about MIT and his task as Chaplin to the Institute and other such mundane stuff. Ran into a lady who knew me from speaking at the Lake Geneva Family Encampment three years ago. And finally I picked up two books today: Preaching John's Gospel: The World It Imagines (eds. David Fleer and Dave Bland) and James Cone's Risk's of Faith: The Emergence of a Black Theology of Liberation, 1968-1998. I closed the day out with a brief conversation with Rachael and Talya (thank you Lord!).

Great day ... and it starts again tomorrow. If you have never been to ACU it will bless you.



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