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Tuesday, September 30, 2008

Perceiving What Has Always Been

Posted on 10:09 PM by Unknown

Perceiving What Has Always Been ...

Many today are bantering around the slogan "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it."

Apart from being simplistic, and even bordering on deception, this sloganeering completely misses the point. We believe whatever "it" is that God has said. I, for one, will go on record as believing anything that comes from the mouth of God. We also believe that whatever God has said "settles" it.

The real issue is not that God has spoken, or our believing, but our perception and understanding. People for millennia thought God said the Earth stood still and the Sun revolved around it. The problem was not what God had said . . . for indeed what he said did settle "it." But we simply did not discern the "it." That is until a man by the name of Copernicus came along in the 15th century and then another by the name of Galileo in the 17th century. Then for the first time we understood the "it." But God said "it" long before we understood "it."

I like the attitude of Thomas Fuller, a 17th century English churchman and scholar. Fuller wrote a short prayer that reveals something that is especially profound and reveals an attitude of being a perpetual learner. Let me share it with you. Fuller confessed,

"LORD, this morning I read a chapter in the Bible, and therein observed a memorable passage whereof I never took notice before. Why now, and no sooner, did I see it? Formerly my eyes were as open, and the letters as legible. Is there not a thin veil laid over Thy Word, which is more rarified by reading, and at last wholly worn away? I see the oil of Thy Word will never leave increasing whilst any bring an empty barrel."

Is this not perceptive? I believe there is wisdom here. Just when we have "it" all figured out a Galileo, a Einstein, or a Campbell comes along and subverts the entire paradigm! The truth is not new. What is new is what Fuller testifies too. We are seeing something that has always been there but we just did not see "it."

It is very sad when we find some who use that old saw "God said it, I believe it, and that settles it" as an out from having to think and study. Indeed it is quite possible that this mantra can even become a sign of rebellion. Is it not interesting that those whose eyes "took notice" of what had always been but never seen are almost always persecuted? Think of the names: John Huss, John Wycliff, Martin Luther, William Tyndale, Galileo Galilei, Roger Williams, Thomas Campbell, Martin Luther King Jr . . .

The prayer prayed by Thomas Fuller can only be prayed by one who comes to the text as if it is new every morning, as if it is fresh, as if we know nothing . . . as if we expect to find something new and wonderful. The prayer is said by one who expects God to rock his/her boat and rattle his/her cage. Is this not what we want? Do we not want to be explorers in the fathomless ocean of God's wisdom and truth? Isn't that what the Christian life is all about?
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Monday, September 29, 2008

Love Hurts.

Posted on 12:14 AM by Unknown

Who remembers this one? Classic from Hair of the Dog ... one the the greatest albums of all time. The song and video sort of hit close to home for a lot of people in this world ... sit back and experience the power of lyrics touching an inner cord.

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Sunday, September 28, 2008

Musings from the Desert

Posted on 4:21 PM by Unknown
Its Sunday afternoon here in the desert. We had a wonderful (I think) time at the Gathering at PV today. It is still quite hot out though I learned driving across New Mexico and western Texas that they seem to be in the 70s and 80s ... not so here! I ate at a fast food mexican joint called "La Salsa" with some friends from PV today. One asked me "what do you do on Sunday afternoons?" As you can tell ... NOTHING! I don't really have anything significant to blog about so I will just sort of practice my free association, ;-)

Can you believe the Brewers beat the Cubs and are in the playoffs for the first time since 1982! They are going to party in Milwaukee tonight (like it is 1999 to quote Prince). Read about Milwaukee going wild here. And the Packers lost to Tampa Bay but Farve threw a career high of 6 (that is SIX!!) touchdowns against our Arizona Cardinals. See him here. In other sporting news we can all celebrate that USC was humiliated by Oregon St and Florida lost to Ole Miss. But Alabama rolled over Georgia and is now ranked #2 in the AP poll behind Oklahoma ... and I have to say that based on who each team has played so far ... BAMA deserves to be placed first. Bama is the "unanimous" choice to play either Missouri or Oklahoma in a BCS title game. There is a lot of football left so I suggest that Bama fans not get too cocky yet but it was sweet to see the teams the pundits anointed so early on crumble when actually challenged (i.e. USC in the Pac-10 ... give me a break!!!).

On to other stuff. R. C. Bell, K. C. Moser, and J. D. Thomas. There is a connection between these three. I have often heard the quip "If you get Romans, God get you" and seen or heard it attributed to Moser. I do believe Moser said that and probably often. But Moser did not originate that saying, R. C. Bell did. J. D. Thomas in a small "Self-Study Guide" to Romans published in 1963 states that Bell was his teacher at ACC and attributes the slogan to Bell. This is significant because he also mentions both Moser and Brewer in the same context. I know that there was significant interaction between Moser, Brewer and Thomas in the late 1930s when all three were in or around Lubbock, TX. I have little doubt that Thomas was in many ways mentored by Moser in those years. Years later Thomas would still lament that "Our people are legalists, basically" (quoted in an interview with Jim Mankin).

In the Center for Restoration Studies, as I was searching for Moser material I decided to look into the connections with Thomas and a few others (like John P. Lewis) to fill in the gaps in Moser knowledge and to trace his influence as best I can. I decided to dive into Thomas and was surprised that the Thomas papers are not extensive at all, at least those in the Center. But I did find biographical material, a special edition of Minister's Monthly (April 1962) edited by Thomas with articles by Thomas, Bell and Moser in it. Here are some great lines in Bell and Moser:

"Christianity is God's superrefined, perfected way of making men gracious, loving, and lawful ... [A]part from Christ, they become self-righteous, ungracious, unsympathetic legalists and weary drudgers of dull duty" (Bell).

"The doctrine of grace has been lifted, so to speak, right out of the cross... The cross changes things!" (Moser)

While in Abilene it was great to fellowship with Fran Moser Winkles, her husband Dub and daughter Susan. They are wonderful people and have been so gracious towards me. I owe them a debt of gratitude. And my teacher, John Mark, I would not even be doing what I'm doing if it were not for him ... things in my life have not let me go the route I intended to go (teach) but such is life. John Mark taught me more about Moser than anyone. He may not claim me but ...

Let's see what else? Oh yes! I wore my helmet today and Jeanne Holt was NO WHERE to be seen. I was like hello girl ... here it is. I got to talk with Rachael and Talya on the phone yesterday and I was so happy about that.

Ramblings are over,
Bobby V
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Thursday, September 25, 2008

Old LA Tonight - Ozzy Osbourne

Posted on 10:32 PM by Unknown

fallin 2 pieces ...

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Poetry From the Road

Posted on 8:04 PM by Unknown
Poetry From the Road ...

Well I intended to stay longer in Abilene. I am beat though. My phone, which is also my alarm clock, died in the night. I did not wake untl 8:20 ... about 6:20 AZ time. I was/am tired. I visited with Dr. Berryhill for a little while and went to the Center for Restoration Studies and dug around for a while. I discovered a few sources on Moser in some of the J. D. Thomas papers and found more on John P. Lewis too. But I decided to head back to the desert. First I stopped by ACU/Leafwood Press to visit with my friend Lisa and also talked with Leonard Allen. We talked about my work on Moser a little and about when I might be done with this biography. I headed to Taco Beueno about 12.30ish and got on the road around 1ish. I've been driving across the western half of Texas all day long. the cool part was the B-1 bomber that flew over the highway as I was leaving Abilene.

As I have been driving I have become contemplative and sort of poetic ... if that can happen with me. Some I made up and some I'm sure I learned from others ... this one is from the godfather of rock ... i'll keep mine to myself ... for now ...

"Look into the future
Look into my eyes and tell me
everything's all right
Tell me where we're going
I'm afraid 'cos I don't know
what going on in my life ...

From somewhere between El Paso and Las Crusas.

Bobby Valenitne
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Wednesday, September 24, 2008

ACU Lectures Day 3

Posted on 8:07 PM by Unknown
ACU Lectures Day 3

What can I say. The lectures are now over. I am sitting at my friend Carisse's house and blogging about the day. My day started later than yesterday ... I didn't get up until 7 am today. I met my friend Ed Robinson for breakfast in the student center. Ed ran off to class and I reviewed my power point for Dawn: The Spiritual Legacy of Moser. Attendance was smaller today as many folks already left the day before but we still had a good crowd. One notable in my class was Dr. Leroy Garrett one of the great mavericks and historians of the Churches of Christ. I was pleased to see him. We got to visit more later in the day too.

Today I actually spent a great deal of time in the library. I finished reading John P. Lewis' thesis. I found material on W. T. Kidwell and F. L. Colley both crossed swords with Moser over the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

This evening I just visited with Carisse for a couple hours and talked. I am glad I came to ACU. I was able to "get away" from stuff and sort of decompress and exhale. I needed that exercise.

Blessings,
Bobby V

P.S. You see that green stuff in the picture I took of the Bible building this morning? That stuff is called grass! I took my boots and socks off and went and walked in it ... did it again tonight at Carisse's house ... it felt wonderful.
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Tuesday, September 23, 2008

ACU Lectures Day 2

Posted on 9:31 PM by Unknown
ACU Lectures Day 2

Wow! What a day. I got to bed late last night and got up at 6 am this morning. The day began for me at the 6.44 Restoration Quarterly breakfast. Sat with Wendell and John Willis, Doug Foster and Mark Hamilton. We listened to Curt Niccum talk about minor characters in the Gospel of John. I did my class again today and it was again filled ... I have been pleased with the turn out. Has to be the subject matter!!!

I was surprised to get a hug from a young lady from Palo Verde that attends ACU and hunted me down just to say hi. I was blessed. I took in Jim Bevis again today to hear more of the story of Campus Evangelism and the 1960s. I had lunch with some folks I that I have no clue who they were but we had some wonderful conversation. I then retreated to the library for a couple hours and tracked down material on John P. Lewis, a professor at Abilene from 1948-1971, an ardent critic of K. C. Moser. I found a bunch of old sermons by him, a letter dated to 1931 from an "ex-girlfriend" telling him "It is over!" and tracked down a thesis he did and read about half of it today. So now I know much more about this fellow than I did the other day.

I had dinner with Fran and Dub Winkles this evening at Sharon's BBQ. Talk about some good old fashion Texas bbq ... I was in hog heaven. I have not had good bbq in a long time ... it is just not a major thing in the desert.

I went to see Randy Harris tonight and sat with Mark Hamilton and Robert Randolf. We sat on the highest row you can get ... in the pic Harris is the shiny dot ... his bald head!! Robert wanted to buy me a piece of pie afterwards so we went and had some good stuff and talked about MIT and his task as Chaplin to the Institute and other such mundane stuff. Ran into a lady who knew me from speaking at the Lake Geneva Family Encampment three years ago. And finally I picked up two books today: Preaching John's Gospel: The World It Imagines (eds. David Fleer and Dave Bland) and James Cone's Risk's of Faith: The Emergence of a Black Theology of Liberation, 1968-1998. I closed the day out with a brief conversation with Rachael and Talya (thank you Lord!).

Great day ... and it starts again tomorrow. If you have never been to ACU it will bless you.



In
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Monday, September 22, 2008

ACU Lectures Day 1

Posted on 9:06 PM by Unknown
ACU Lectures Day 1
Wow! What a day it has been. I arrived in Abilene about 2 am ish. Long drive over from Tucson to here. Left Tucson about 12:30 after church, dropped the girls off and headed off toward taht citadel of higher education. Got pulled over for "speeding" on the east side of Colorado City about 12.30ish ... but got off with a warning. Was glad of that! Got into bed around 2:30 got up at 7 and have been going all day long. I am whipped out.

I showed up to my class and it was full and for this I am glad. K. C. Moser's daughter and my friend, Fran, graced us with her presence. I did my thing and then it was off to the races again. I visited with Jim Martin (my old professor) over a cup of java for quite some time. I visited with Jim Bevis of the old Campus Evangelism movement of the 1960s and Leroy Garett (another Church of Christ "heretic"). Ran into Sue and Kurt Burton and had a few laughs together. Met Tim Archer for the first time. Sat in my friend's, Ed Robinson, class on Marshall Keeble. Went to hear Brian McLaren address the crowd at 3 pm. Went to the Center for Restoration Studies and looked up a few things for my class. I had dinner at Taco Bueno. Went to hear Kevin Murray's keynote speech. Then headed over to a reception and visited with a number of friends. Shew ...
In a few minutes I will look at my stuff for tomorrow and add a few pics and makes some revision for tomorrow ... Oh I forgot I ran into Cecil Price too.

What a day it has been!!

Got to get up for the Restoration Quarterly breakfast at 6.45 ... need sleep.
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Saturday, September 20, 2008

ACU Lectures ... Jerusalem of the West

Posted on 10:33 AM by Unknown
ACU Lectures...
Jerusalem of the West


This coming week I will be joining thousands of others in the annual trek to "Jerusalem of the West" ... or "Rome" depending on your point of view I suppose ... for the ACU Lectures. I will actually be leaving tomorrow after morning worship, I drop the girls off with their mother (wish they could come!), and proceed to make the 12 hour drive through New Mexico and West Texas.

I am excited about the lectures this year. The theme this year is "The Righteousness of God" obviously from the letter to the Romans. There are many good speakers and many great classes going to be offered this year. Since it is nearly impossible to talk about "Romans" in the Churches of Christ without mentioning K. C. Moser (Gist of Romans) I was greatly honored when I was invited to present three classes on Moser. I am very excited about this. It is quite interesting that Moser will be a featured subject because for years he was "persona non grata" at these lectures because he was such a "heretic." Indeed, according to one student at Abilene Christian College (at that time) told me that in his senior year (1954) when his professor learned he was from Twelth & Drexel Church of Christ in Oklahoma City (Moser's church at the time) he spent almost the whole semester attacking "brother Moser."

My classes on Moser will highlight some of the material that will end up in my biography of this apostle of grace to the Churches of Christ. The general heading for my sessions is:

"Walking With the Spirit: The Transitions of K. C. Moser"

The first class will have the sub-heading "Heritage: Moser's Texas Roots" in which I want to explore how Texas shaped Moser's theological outlook in his early years and provides a key to understanding why he was viewed with such suspicion in later years.

The second class has the sub-heading "Awakening: Moser's Spiritual Crises." In this class I will trace Moser's journey through the roaring '20s drawing on material that had previously been virtually unknown and casts incredible light on who he was and what he taught. We will see that Moser was a die hard "Texas Tradition" adherent but by the end of the decade became a traitor and heretic and became alienated from so many.

The third class will have the sub-heading "Dawn: Moser's Spiritual Legacy." In this particular presentation I want to trace out how Moser has shaped the renewal among Churches of Christ in a way that he could never dream.

If you are in Abilene I hope you will stop by and say hello.

Seeking Shalom,
Bobby Valentine

P.S. I will try to post some updates from the lectures
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How Great Is Our God - Chris Tomlin

Posted on 10:28 AM by Unknown


God is indeed great. In spite of it all ... I join my voice with those saints before me. During the ACU lectures the coming week, I confess how great is our God.

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Tuesday, September 16, 2008

When Spirituality is "Too Spiritual"

Posted on 1:17 PM by Unknown
"There is no good trying to be more spiritual than God. God never meant for man (i.e. Humans, B.V.) to be a purely spiritual creature. That is why He uses material things like bread and wine to put new life into us. We may think this rather crude and unspiritual. God does not: He invented eating. He likes matter. He invented it." (C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity, p. 65)

C. S. Lewis points to a biblical truth, embraced by historic Christianity, and yet one that is often misunderstood by many Western Evangelical Christians today. Spirituality is a something we all desperately desire and yet often fundamentally misunderstand. The great American author, Emily Dickinson, captures what many imagine spirituality to be. Dickinson lived across the street from her "church" yet refused to attend. She would lower cookies from her window to the children on the street below to show her kindness towards them. She gave gifts but only from a distance yet the fellowship across the street was meaningless to her. She considered herself very spiritual however.   She testifies "I do not care for the body. I love the timid soul, the blushing, shrinking soul." She goes on to say "the mind alone without corporeal form" is what is really important. Her's is a classic interior, and disembodied, spirituality. "Spirituality" is seen to be an inner journey cut off from community and from the world. She typifies the understanding of so many as she thinks "spirituality" is simply flight from the contamination of creation ... from matter ... from the flesh. But Lewis says such a view is not what Christians believe ... or at least should not believe.

C. S. Lewis is correct however! When we embrace a world denying "spirituality" we have, ironically, become too spiritual. Lewis's views reflect the worldview of biblical and historic Christianity, while Dickinson's comes dangerously close to gnosticism. But the physical and material body is important to God. He made it, as Lewis says. Paul says we eagerly await the "redemption of our bodies" (Rom 8.23). It is in the body that we worship and serve God (Rom 12.1-2). Creation is the realm of "SPIRIT-uality."

One of the consequences of embracing a biblical worldview is that spirituality is taken out of the extraordinary and placed back into the realm of ordinary. Sitting in silence for days is not necessarily spirituality. It can, however, be a spiritual discipline. Rather biblical spirituality is embodied just as much in serving the poor as in cloister. Paul prays that true spirituality will manifest itself through the recognition of genuine community within an ethnically polarized "church" (Eph 1.18). Biblical  Spirituality is communal not individualistic. Spirituality, in its biblical expression, is "earthy" in nature. However, we often understand that word (due to our history) with post-Enlightenment eyes and it is redefined as immaterial, interior and private. We must be on guard against this distortion of our faith.

Seeking Shalom,
Bobby V
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Sunday, September 14, 2008

Creed - My Own Prison

Posted on 8:18 AM by Unknown

The decisions we make through life often can become sort of like "a prison of my own making." This song reflects both the angst and the possibility of hope for people who have truly screwed up.

"See a Vision of a cross
I feel the pain that was given
On that sad day of loss
A lion roars in the darkness
Only He holds the key
A light to free me from my burden
And grant me life eternally
Should have been dead on a Sunday morning
Banging my head ..."

Creed. Love their music. Blessings on a Sunday morning.

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Friday, September 12, 2008

Cultural Literacy: Improving Our Bible Reading

Posted on 10:02 PM by Unknown
Cultural Literacy: Improving Our Bible Reading
Greetings from the land of Saguaros & Scorpions. I share this brief discussion of the importance of context. Context can signify several different things and all are necessary for a proper interpretation of not only Scripture but most any piece of literature. Because of the "sloppiness" of the term context some linguists distinguish between cotext and context. The word cotext would refer to the sentences, paragraphs and chapter surrounding the "text" under consideration. These linguists then use the term context to refer specifically to the sociological and historical setting of the text. It is traditional to talk of "literary" context and "historical" context but I like the more precise language of cotext and context and shall be using that in this mini-essay. Thus context refers to the sociological and historical situation of the writer and text produced.
It should be evident that context is a matter of paramount importance. Unfortunately this not the case for we often come to the biblical text and simply read our contemporary ideas back into the text. This is actually unfair to two people: the author and the reader. It is not "common" sense to read a text that is at minimum two thousand years old as if it was written yesterday.
The "Givens"(assumptions) of Context
Every author, when he or she, writes a text makes assumptions. She will assume a common framework in reference to accepted usages of words, cultural allusions, and the like. The author takes these common assumptions about the world as GIVENS. If the author had to explain every metaphor, historical allusion or figure of speech, her piece would be clumsy, wordy and obtuse . . . and no one would read it. It is these GIVENS of context that a contemporary author ASSUMES on the part of his readers but are the very things that are LOST on non-contemporary readers ... especially the further we are from the author.
GIVENS in a text is natural and it is something we experience everyday. E.D. Hirsch, writing not about ancient books but contemporary newspapers and discourse, calls this simply cultural literacy. Cultural literacy is the common "background information" that the "comprehending reader must bring to the text" in order for understanding to take place (Cultural Literacy, pp. 13-14).
Hirsch illustrates his point beautifully with a series of excerpts from the Washington Post.
"A federal appeals panel today upheld an order barring foreclosure on a Missouri farm, saying the U.S. Agriculture Secretary John R. Block has reneged on his responsibilities to some debt ridden farmers. The appeals panel directed the USDA to create a system of processing loan deferments and of publicizing them as it said Congress had intended. The panel said that it is the responsibility of the agricultural secretary to carry out this intent 'not as a private banker, but as a public broker."
This passage, in a common newspaper, is loaded with "givens" on the part of the author. What is a foreclosure? What is a federal appeals panel? Where is Missouri and what about Missouri is relevant to this article? Why are farmers debt ridden? What is the USDA? What is a public broker.
There is simply a "ton" of information that authors take for granted . . . givens on the part of the readership. That information "fills in the blanks." (And I have just used two idioms (i.e. "ton" and "fill in the blanks") that I assume the reader will readily grasp).
This information is not specialized information. It is not information that only select individuals from certain fields would recognize. Rather this information is part of the common knowledge base of the readership. One can have a "common" knowledge of the USDA without having to write an encyclopedia article about it. The common knowledge is that folks recognize it, know what it means, and know why it is important.
I want to stress, once again, that assumed knowledge is (at the time) the common knowledge of most any commonly educated Joe Cool walking down the street. The problem for readers of the Bible is that those GIVENS of the text are lost . . . without work on our part.
I heard Gordon Fee say "today's scholar could literally spend the rest of his life doing nothing but reading the classics, the Apocrypha, learning Greco-Roman legends, social customs and still not know what the average Joe Blow did walking the streets of Corinth in A.D. 54!!" He said it is sort of ironic that we supposed to be scholars and yet still would not have a high school education in if we actually LIVED in the Roman world. These things are simply "given."
I am convinced that if we take the Bible seriously then we will in fact take its context seriously. The Apostle Paul, like the writer of the newspaper article quoted above, simply assumes a great deal . . . quite legitimately . . . on the part of his contemporary readers. Those givens are simply lost to us and can only be recovered through immersion in Paul's world.
A thorough knowledge of the Hebrew Bible is essential filling in the blanks of Paul's givens. When I say "thorough" I mean just that too. But most Jews did not read Hebrew but Greek thus encountered the Bible in the Septuagint. If a person knows Greek it is a wise thing to spend a great deal of time in the Septuagint (which can also be read in English translation btw). The Dead Sea Scrolls show us that the Jews read, wrote and studied all manner of books beside the Bible. Traditions about the Maccabees, Greek theater and many other things simply "fill the air." This information becomes part of the givens . . . that is "things that are in the air." The Jews and Greeks had a certain "Cultural Literacy" as much as Hirsch thinks Americans should too. Our task as modern readers is to simply be as "culturally literate" as the average Joe Blow going down the street of Corinth in A.D. 54 . . . you would be amazed at how often this fills in the blanks of the biblical text.
Any serious reader of the NT then should have a thorough knowledge of the Hebrew Bible. They should know the legends of the Maccabean martyrs. They should have a working knowledge of the Apocrypha (especially Sirach, Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, the additional legends regarding Daniel and I mentioned the Maccabees independently) . Josephus is a valuable tool for understanding some of the political givens in the Gospels. First Enoch is an important text too. All of these writings, save Josephus, are in one way or another assumed on the part of NT authors and do in fact allude to them and (at times) quote them. This hopefully does not seem like a lot of work, it does have its rewards. Our aim is simply to be able to read the NT like any average first century disciple would have.
BTW, Hirsch's book Cultural Literacy is worth reading. Everett Ferguson's book "Backgrounds to Early Christianity" is a beginning point. Oskar Skarsaune's In the Shadow of the Temple: Jewish Influences on Early Christianity and Paul Barnett's Behind the Scenes of the New Testament are excellent intros to help us. And the Apocrypha is available in an excellent translation through the NRSV.
Seeking Shalom,
Bobby V
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Monday, September 8, 2008

The Kings Men: A Talk With the KJV Translators

Posted on 3:00 PM by Unknown

One of the tragic victims to the god of capitalism for the classic King James Version was the Translators to the Reader. This was the defense of the original 1611 KJV authored by Myles Smith who later became Bishop of Gloucester. This 11 page document is commendably honest about the art of biblical translation into the English language. The intention of this essay was to respond to the anticipated avalanche of criticism towards the labor of the men who had worked on the 1611 version. In this post I will simply offer a series of quotations from this amazing document that speak to our own situation today ...

The translators knew that all efforts to improve virtually anything are usually criticized:

Things Have Been Calumniated

Zeal to promote the common good, whether it be by devising anything ourselves or revising ... is welcomed with suspicion instead of love, and with emulation instead of thanks ... For was there ever anything projected, that savoured any way of newness or renewing, but the same endured many a storm of gainsaying or opposition? ...

The translators devote many words to the praise of the Scriptures. Quoting such luminaries as Augustine and Jerome and many others they point to the incalculable value of the word of God. It is profitable to be meditated upon "day and night." But how can one meditate upon what cannot be understood? The answer is translation:

Translation Necessary

But how shall men meditate in that which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknown tongue? ... {S}o, lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readiness. Translation it is that openeth the window, to let in the light; that breaketh the shell, that we may eat the kernel; that putteth aside the curtain, that we may look into the most holy place ... Indeed without translation into the vulgar tongue, the unlearned are but like children at Jacob's well (which was deep) without a bucket or something to draw with!

Then the translators review the history of translation beginning with the Septuagint and the Vulgate. They review many other translations and link them to mission and evangelism. The church has always sought to place the word of God in the common language of the people. There is tradition on the side of translation. Neither Rome nor the tradition bound Protestant should resist the coming of a new translation (i.e. the KJV). The translators then indicate their purpose which was revision

The purpose of the Translators, witht their number, furniture, care, etc.

But it is high time to leave them, and to show in brief what we proposed to ourselves, and what course we held, in this our perusal and survey of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) we never thought from the beginning that we should need to make a new translation, nor yet to make a bad one a good one ... but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones one principal good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath been our endeavor, that our mark...

The translators then insist however that a translation, any translation, is not to be held against another but against the original language of the word of God: the Hebrew and Greek

If truth be to be tried by these tongues, then whence should a translation be made, but out of them? These tongues therefore ... we set before us to translate, being the tongues wherein God was pleased to speak to his Church ...

Then the translators confess that they do not know enough to do the job. Rather they sought all available help from where ever they could find it to correctly understand the text and then translate it.

Neither did we think much to consult the translators and commentators ... Neither did we disdain to revise that which we had done, and to bring back to the anvil that which we had hammered: but having and using as great helps as were needful, and fearing no reproach for slowness, nor coveting praise for expedition, we have at the length, through the good hand of the Lord upon us, brought the work to that pass that you see.

The biggest surprises that comes to those who are not familiar with this remarkable document are: 1) the translators of the King James Version were not then and never would be King James Onlyites; 2) Even within this document itself a large share of the scripture quotations made by the translators themselves are from the GENEVA BIBLE rather than the King James Version!!!!!!; 3) The translators knew they were not producing a fresh or original translation but rather they were part of a living tradition and were highly dependent upon the work of William Tyndale; 5) we learn that the translators believed it would be folly to try to understand and translate the text without seeking aid in various other translations and scholarly works such as commentaries; and finally 6) we learn that the translators fully expected to be roasted for their work ... and they were for quite a long time after 1611.

We can learn a lot from the Translators to the Reader. We learn a lot about the men and the translation of the KJV. If you have never read this document I recommend it for your edification. The Translators to the Reader has been republished by the American Bible Society with an introduction and notes by Erroll F. Rhodes & Liana Lupas ... more than worth the 14 dollars to get it

Shalom,
Bobby V
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Friday, September 5, 2008

Exhibit A - Baptist Pastor Comparing the NIV against the King James Bibl

Posted on 1:20 PM by Unknown

I almost apologize for posting this to my blog ... if you can handle nine minutes and 52 seconds!! But this is a teaching illustration.

Ok. If you made it through that painful video you may have the gift of patience!! Some one pointed me to this video and I watched it and found myself with raised blood pressure by the end. Let me suggest to my readers that our pastor is exhibit A of why we need to read a book or books that help us understand and interpret the Bible.

First, the whole KJV only thing is based on pure ignorance. This is painfully evident in this video and I honestly feel sorry for the poor folks who had to endure such tripe.

Second, the pastor goes on and on about the "word" and how we need to value the "word" and how the Gospel of John stresses the "word" by beginning with "Word" and has Jesus testifying to the "word." Well I am on record as loving the "word." We agree on the importance of the word. His attack on the NIV or NASB however is totally unfounded. Since he is a KJV only guy I limited myself to the The Greek Text of Stephens published in 1550 which is the base text for the King James and the Textus Receptus. It is quite true that the NIV does not read "when Jesus had spoken these words" but rather "when Jesus had finished praying." I was "shocked" after all that rhetoric to find that the KJV did just as much paraphrasing in John 18.1 as the NIV. The word "word" does not occur in John 18.1. Rather the text reads tauta eipon ho Iesosous ekelthen sun tois mathetais auton ... which quite literally says "having said these THINGS Jesus went out with his disciples."

Third, how big is the Kidron Brook in John 18.1? The pastor suggests that Jesus and his disciples took a BOAT across it! There has to be water because it is a brook. I almost chocked on my Dr. Pepper when I heard this. You might be able to put a canoe on the Jordan but unless it is a battery operated boat for the tub there will be no boats on the Kidron Brook. The Kidron is a seasonal wadi. A wadi is a word used for many "rivers" in Palestine that flow only a few months of the year during the rainy season (winter). For those of us in the desert we might call it a "wash." When the rain comes there is water ... no rain no water.

If we claim to respect the word of God ... which does not equate to the King James only ... we will take seriously its context. If we don't take that seriously we can spend nearly 10 minutes talkinga about how a version is wrong when the one your looking at is "wrong" too. But neither the KJV nor the NIV is wrong. Jesus did finish saying these "things" that is the words in chapter 17. And the NIV is quite right too. Jesus did finish his prayer. And Jesus did cross the Kidron Valley but did not use a boat. He used a boat on the Sea of Galilee.

If we respect the word of God we will respect its historical context. We will learn (be disciples) as much as we can about that context, setting and the like. And finally if we respect the word of God we will know that Jesus did not speak Jacobean English!

Again sorry for the video but it illustrates the point so well ...

Shalom,

Bobby Valentine

P.S. for the record I did not come up with the title "Baptist Pastor ..." that is how this gentleman has himself put it on YouTube. Just so you know I am not picking on him here ...

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Thursday, September 4, 2008

In the Shadow of the Temple: A Review

Posted on 11:18 PM by Unknown
In the Shadow of the Temple

Modern Christians in general assume that the Judaism that nurtured Jesus and the early Church was simply the religion one reads about in the Hebrew Bible. And Protestant Evangelical Bibles do not contain the Apocrypha so it more or less assumed that what Paul was reared in is the same as what we read in the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings. Such an assumption is, however, mistaken. Thus begins the recent work by Oskar Skarsaune, In the Shadow of the Temple: Jewish Influences on Early Christianity (IVP 2002).

Let me begin by saying that In the Shadow is an outstanding and illuminating book. And it is not for specialists by any means but for those who simply like the Bible and reading. Every chapter sheds intense light not only on the pages of the New Testament but also on the entire faith of the early church through the second and third centuries. Skarsaune has written a work on early Christian history with special attention to the often neglected Jewish background. However he does not do this along a chronological base. Rather he develops his work thematically showing the growth of Christian thought and practice in dialog with Judaism ... Judaism that still had a temple!

Skarsaune, long a recognized scholar in Jewish followers of Jesus in the pre-Nicene period, shows convincingly that Judaism is not simply "background" for the NT but is of vital interest throughout the history of the early church. His survey of the Jewish encounter with Hellenism, changing understandings of Torah, what it means to "be" a Jew and how that fits in with the Gentile mission is very rich. One of the best chapters is the called "Elder & Younger Brothers: The Second Century Debate with Judaism."

For those from a Restoration background because of our obsession with liturgy (we never use the word) and baptism, Part 3 of the book will be of intense interest. It traces the "Persistence of the Jewish Heritage" in the "Faith & Order of the Early Church." A chapter looks at the what books belong in the Bible and concludes that regarding the "Christian Old Testament" that there were in fact two canons. One can was basically the common person's canon or the 'folkish" canon which embrace the total contents of the Septuagint. The other canon is termed the "learned" or scholar's canon which officially followed what we know as the Masoretic text. He traces Jewish lines through baptismal practices and even Christology and worship and the church calendar.

I agree with Everett Ferguson who praised In the Shadows as "surely right on the Jewishness of early Christianity and the importance of the temple" and presenting "a persuasive synthesis" in relation to our faith understaning who and what we are. There has been lots of talk on this blog and others on reading Scripture and understanding it. If you are looking for something can add significant depth to the pages of the New Testament then I recommend this fine work. We need to be reading the Scripture but we also need to read it (first) through the eyes of those who wrote it ... Jews. Christianity is Jewish ...

The fact that Skarsaune is an excellent writer is just a plus in eating this book.

Shalom,
Bobby Valentine
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Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Q & A on the Necessity of Hermeneutics

Posted on 9:05 AM by Unknown
Over the last couple of weeks I have had an ongoing discussion through email on interpreting Scripture and whether or not we actually do it. This conversation was not initiated by myself but I have attempted to respond as I could to the questions. This exchange consisted of a number of questions I guess to peg me somehow. I have decided to share my rather off the cuff responses to this correspondent with my blog readers ... I will preserve the informal nature of the correspondence here.

Bobby, The New Testament is God's revealed will to His people in this dispensation ... The New Testament is not so much in need of our interpretation as it is in need of being believed (Ep. 3:3-5) - I am to preach the Word, (2 Tim. 4:2)

(???) I have no doubt that the New Testament is God's word. For the record I have no doubt that the Hebrew Bible is also God's will and is inspired and good for doctrine and equipping the person of God (2 Tim 3.10-17). But your assertion that we do not interpret the Bible but simply believe or obey it is a matter I disagree with. Paul himself calls us to "handle" the word of God "rightly explaining the word of truth" (2 Tim 2.15, NRSV). The context shows that some are indeed mishandling/misinterpreting the word thus Paul exhorts Timothy to know how to interpret correctly.

I suppose you can claim to simply believe but not interpret. Ok, then (since we have cited a number of passages in the Pastorals I will limit myself to them) do you believe that women are "saved through childbearing" (1 Tim 2.15)? This is quite clearly what the text says, is that what you preach? Do you not call women to faith and baptism or simply to getting pregnant? Though I do not know you I have little doubt that you "explain" this text ... you "interpret" it.

Just a few verses prior we learn that women are not to have braided hair, gold or pearls (2.9-10). That is what Paul actually says. Is that what the text means? Do the ladies in your congregation have "gold" wedding rings? Do any braid their hair? If you claim (in any fashion) that this text does not demand that of them then you are doing more than simply believing you are interpreting.

What about a few verses prior in v.8? The apostle commands men to "lift up holy hands in prayer" and ironically says "without anger or argument." Just try that on Sunday and see if we simply "believe" but do no interpret. See how long it takes for "anger" and "argument" to break out. Some, perhaps you, will say that was "cultural" but brother that is an interpretation for Paul never places a footnote about it being cultural. This claim that we do not interpret the text is simply without foundation in reality. We do and we do every time we open the good book. The question is not whether or not we will interpret, rather the question is whether or not we will give a gospel interpretation.

You cite a lot of problems and controversies over the years ... OK ... I could cite tons more - that accomplishes nothing and proves nothing!! ...

(???) but it does accomplish something. The folks in these controversies were arguing about Scripture ... usually claiming to simply believe and not interpret. Yet they were arguing about hermeneutics. We can say, as you did, we simply "follow the laws of communication" -- ok so be it. Hermeneutics is essential to communication, unconscious or conscious. Those folks, like W. J. Rice, quoted lots of Scripture to support his position. He appealed to the "pattern" revealed in Scripture. Interestingly he called R. L. Whiteside a "liberal" and "digressive" and a "rejector of biblical authority" because RLW did not quite see the pattern as he did. Whiteside accused Rice of having a pattern with details the NT itself did not. This was a debate over which incidental in the tapestry was 'essential' and which was not. But our history is so relevant because it shows clearly that we never simply believed the word but rather we have interpreted it from day one. We can properly ask "did we handle it correctly" or "did we explain it" in a way that the mission of the Lord Jesus was exalted? This we can ask ... and should.

The question is, I repeat, simply what does the Bible say? That's what we want to know - I propose that we use the basic laws of communication ... God revealed His will to us in words ... human language, we therefore need to follow the laws of proper exegesis to come to a knowledge of the truth. Jesus used this method - Paul used this method - if it was good enough for Jesus it is certainly good enough for me. The CENI method is based upon these basic laws of communication ... with all of your objections this truth still remains and cannot be denied.

(???), I agree that we need to know what the Bible actually says. But I also want to know what the Bible means. I think I have demonstrated the necessity of this in our previous exchange. The NT itself indicates we may need "help" in properly interpreting and understanding even some very basic stuff in Scripture. For example in one of our all time favorite texts in Acts you will recall the story of Philip and the Eunuch. We have preached that text hundreds of times. But perhaps we rush to fast past what set up Philip's teaching opportunity. The Ethiopian was dutifully reading the word. I am sure he even believed it. Yet interestingly enough the question Philip asked was not "Do you believe what you read?" but rather he said "do you understand what you are reading?" (8.30). Of course the Eunuch did not understand! Was Isaiah speaking of himself or someone else (v.34). Then he freely confesses (not his disbelief) that he cannot "unless some one guides {explains for} me" (v.31). This shows that the text was not simply believed at all but "interpreted" and in point of fact interpreted Christologically.

You and I are on the same page regarding the "laws" of exegesis. Yet by confessing this you also confess the necessity of hermeneutics. Now it is my contention that we need to be continual students and refine our hermeneutical approach. It is necessary to do this on two fronts: 1) it will continually reflect the nature of the biblical text and the Gospel mission of God in Jesus Christ and 2) it must be able to address the world we live in. Answers to questions that no one asks are irrelevant at best and a hindrance at worst. So, like Philip, we can look for a responsible "guide." The guide the Ethiopian had been using proved useless in understanding the text ... he needed a "new" hermeneutic. If our older way of reading and applying Scripture proves as unhelpful as the Eunuch's is it any wonder that thousands in the pews of Churches of Christ are looking for a helpful guide. It is our responsibility to know the Gospel well enough to prove to be a guide. He who has an ear let him hear.

Here ends the current status of the dialog. I look forward to future conversation ...

Seeking Shalom,
Bobby Valentine
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Monday, September 1, 2008

Respect The Winds

Posted on 5:03 PM by Unknown

In honor of the Gulf Coast dealing with the wind of Gustov. In the Bible the "wind" can destroy or heal ... it is powerful and unpredictable. It is to be respected. This is a beautiful instrumental (no words) by Van Halen for the movie Twister. It is incredible. Watch it. Be moved by the images and the music. Blessings on all ... brings back lots of memories.

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Labor Day Ride

Posted on 3:36 PM by Unknown
Labor Day Harley Ride Through Arizona

Well it is a holiday they tell me. Labor Day! I had nothing to do today. I even tried to sleep in but I was awake by 6:30. So I decided to get my can out of bed, hit the shower, and hit the road. I decided I would just go south and west and see where the road goes.

So I saddled up my Iron Horse and made sure there was plenty of petro in the tank. At first I headed south to I-10. I had a quarter and decided to flip it to see if I should go right or left on 10. Well the quarter said go right. I thundered down the highway and came to I-19 and hooked a left.

Then I flipped my coin again (inspired by Two-Face) and went down AZ 86 into the middle of no where. I zipped through the Tohono O'odham reservation at about 75 or 80. Suddenly I saw a sign that said "Kitt Peak Observatory" ... so I hit the break and hung a left and went into the sky (via the mountain). As I neared the top I could see the telescopes and it got unexpectedly cool too. And a few drops of rain showed up rather suddenly with this ominous looking cloud that swallowed up the peak.

I came down the mt and then took off toward Ajo and eventually found myself talking to a Border Patrol agent (in the middle of no where!) who asked in a stern voice: "Are you a United States citzen?" I looked at her and smiled and said "Born in the USA." Then she said "nice bike." After a few more pleasantries exchanged I whisked on down the road. It has been a great ride. Would have loved to have the girls but ...



It was getting cloudy going up the mountain. You can see a few of the telescopes in this pic taken from my phone (you can click on the pic and get a much larger view) ...



As I came around a bend I was almost directly below the behemoth. I could see this dome for miles but coming up right under it was pretty cool.



See the ominous black cloud that just "appeared." It is swallowing up the Mayall 4 meter telescope. It started to drizzel when I was at the top and I did not want to be in the rain so I left earlier than I wished ... in this pic I am about 4 miles via mountain road from the telescope.

Now I am home. The sun is intense in the desert and I got burnt on my fore arms ... didn't even notice it on the bike. I pray your Labor Day has been a good one ...

Seeking Shalom,
Bobby V
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